Driving past the Seventh-day Adventist church in Surrey, BC my friend Martin glanced at the parking lot and saw an elderly lady changing the outdoor church sign. What I now believe to have been divine providence, Martin turned into the church parking lot and began a conversation with the lady that ended up with my friend leaving with a few VHS tapes by Walter Veith and Kenneth Cox. Bringing them next week to our round-table home fellowship group we decided to watch one of the videos. The rest they say is history. The videos by Walter Veith produced by Amazing Discoveries allowed me to see that the spiritualism that I had been in previously was totally against the Bible record and the truth that Jesus was the the only way for salvation became crystal clear. The videos opened the book of Revelation to me and gave me an understanding of the beasts in Revelation as well as the Mark of the Beast. I became a Seventh-day Adventist in 2004. The now “Total Onslaught” series is the newer version of the same series that I had watched that helped me to trust in the Word of God more than the secular belief the world was promoting. I am truly indebted to the work that Walter Veith and his team have done in spreading the truth by showing the deceptions of the world.
Looking back and thinking about the old VHS tape series in green, I don’t remember ever hearing Walter Veith teach the Trinity doctrine on those recordings. Recently coming into the truth about Jesus being the true Son of God I was curious to know what Walter Veith had to say about the trinity and the 3-in-1 and 1-in-3 “mystery of God”. I had the privilege of talking to Walter Veith many years ago and I remember him quizzing me on certain subjects. He asked me what I knew about Futurism and Preterism. Let me tell you, I didn’t know much. He asked me about other subjects and I then had personal experience that Dr. Veith is truly a teacher at heart. Even a one on one encounter with me gave me a sense that Walter really cared about teaching the truth. I respect Walter Veith and pray that many more people may come out of the deceptions of the world and into the truth that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.
Fast forward 11 years of being a member of the Seventh-day Adventist church and I recently have come to the truth about God. I have found out that our Pioneers of the Adventist church truly believed something different than the current Seventh-day Adventist doctrine of the Godhead. I have found that there were deceptions in our church and changing of books to harmonize more with Evangelicals in the teaching of the trinity.
If I had Walter Veith’s phone number I would like to call him and sincerely ask him what he believes about the trinity doctrine of our church that has slowly crept in shortly after the death of Ellen White. I would like to hear him confidently proclaim the truth that Jesus is the true Son of God and explain to me that God is not a 3-in-1 and a 1-in-3 God. With confidence I would like to hear him say that Jesus truly is the begotten Son of God and explain to me what the word begotten truly means. I would like to ask him to do a video presentation such as the documentary I recently watched entitled Theos: The Begotten Belief.
I hope one day I will see Walter Veith record a presentation on the Seventh-day Adventist doctrine of the Trinity. The research that I have done today August 30th, 2015 on what Amazing Discoveries currently believes about the Trinity is the following:
Amazing Discoveries Trinity YouTube Video Removed
1.) Pastor Victor Gill created a video on the Trinity and interestingly it was removed. I had a chance to watch the video before it was removed and it encouraged the belief in the Trinity doctrine that God is a unity of three coeternal Persons. I was disappointed with the video. The arguments were weak. The scripture proof texts were not solid. The video was located here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j-tWGoaA6U&feature=youtu.be and the amazing discoveries media link was here: http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/1610/can-you-explain-the-trinity-7126/
Facebook Users Comment On Amazing Discoveries Trinity Video
2.) Amazing Discoveries posted the Bible question about the Trinity to Facebook on February 6, 2014 and there was much feedback from it’s followers. The comments were for 6 days until February 12, 2014, 11:48am before they stopped all of a sudden. In total there were thirty two comments with some people commenting more than once. The question about the Trinity doctrine is a great question to ask. Why go silent? Why is there no Total Onslaught video on the trinity? John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. It’s definitely an important subject if eternal life is based on knowing the Father and the Son.
Amazing Discoveries Answers If The Trinity Is Pagan?
3.) On May 10, 2012 a question was posted and answered on the Amazing Discoveries Knowledgebase (a question and answer site) asking “Is the Trinity a Pagan Concept?” The answer by Amazing Discoveries was: “The Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible, but the concept is. However, the word Godhead is in the Bible, and it refers to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.” I’m hoping they will remove this answer shortly like they did for the YouTube video because the topic deserves more than two sentences and they do not provide any evidence unlike the strong evidence found in other Bible topics they share. Notice the comment in the picture below in regards to the answer AD has provided.
‘Father’ and ‘Son’ Removed from Arabic and Turkish Translations
4.) Here is a blog post entitled ‘Father’ and ‘Son’ ousted from the Trinity in New Bible Translations. Yahoo News removed the link but Amazing Discoveries short blog post can be found here:
This article has nothing to do with Amazing Discoveries belief and they did not create this article. They are only passing the information along. I found the complete article on another website and am placing it below for your interest because it highlights the direction we are heading when we don’t believe in the literal relationship of the Father and the Son. Note how these Bible translations that remove the “Son of God” could actually be more in favour of the Trinity doctrine because many pastors and theologians are re-defining the “Son of God” to mean someone completely different than the only begotten Son of God. These translations from my viewpoint are taking out the filial language of the Bible and the strong inference of the Father and Son relationship.
‘Father’ and ‘Son’ Ousted from the Trinity in New Bible Translations
A controversy is brewing over three reputable Christian organizations, which are based in North America, whose efforts have ousted the words “Father” and “Son” from new Bibles. Wycliffe Bible Translators, Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) and Frontiers are under fire for “producing Bibles that remove “Father,” “Son” and “Son of God” because these terms are offensive to Muslims.”
Concerned Christian missionaries, Bible translators, pastors, and national church leaders have come together with a public petition to stop these organizations. They claim a public petition is their last recourse because meetings with these organizations’ leaders, staff resignations over this issue and criticism and appeals from native national Christians concerned about the translations “have failed to persuade these agencies to retain “Father” and “Son” in the text of all their translations.”
Biblical Missiology, a ministry of Boulder, Colorado-based Horizon International, is sponsoring the petition.
The main issues of this controversy surround new Arabic and Turkish translations. Here are three examples native speakers give:
First, Wycliffe and SIL have produced Stories of the Prophets, an Arabic Bible that uses an Arabic equivalent of “Lord” instead of “Father” and “Messiah” instead of “Son.”
Second, Frontiers and SIL have produced Meaning of the Gospel of Christ , an Arabic translation which removes “Father” in reference to God and replaces it with “Allah,” and removes or redefines “Son.” For example, the verse which Christians use to justify going all over the world to make disciples, thus fulfilling the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19) reads, “Cleanse them by water in the name of Allah, his Messiahand his Holy Spirit” instead of “baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Rev. Bassam Madany, an Arab American who runs Middle East Resources, terms these organization’s efforts as “a western imperialistic attempt that’s inspired by cultural anthropology, and not by biblical theology.”
Third, Frontiers and SIL have produced a new Turkish translation of the Gospel of Matthew that uses Turkish equivalents of “guardian” for “Father” and “representative” or “proxy” for “Son.” To Turkish church leader Rev. Fikret Böcek, “This translation is ‘an all-American idea’ with absolutely no respect for the ‘sacredness’ of Scripture, or even of the growing Turkish church.”
SIL has issued a public response stating “all personnel subscribe to a statement of faith which affirms the Trinity, Christ’s deity, and the inspiration of Scripture.” However, in the same statement, which is similar to Wycliffe’s, it claims “word-for-word translation of these titles would communicate an incorrect meaning (i.e. that God had physical, sexual relationships with Mary) [sic],” thus justifying substituting “Father” and “Son” in new translations. Calls and emails to Wycliffe and SIL to clarify their positions were not returned. Frontiers responded to calls with articles that critics have already dismissed as skirting omissions of “Father” and “Son” in new Bible translations.
By Hussein Hajji Wario, January 27, 2012
Biblical Research Institute’s Trinity Comment to Walter Veith
5.) The final note of interest in my research about Amazing Discoveries belief about the Trinity doctrine was a letter written by Ángel M. Rodríguez, Th.D. from the Biblical Research Institute to Walter Veith back in February 15, 2008. The letter was about the Total Onslaught video series and how his “lectures have caused some stir in the church.” The videos being referred to in the letter as “your teachings on the textus receptus” are #213 – Battle of the Bibles and #214 – Changing the Word
One of the six general observations Dr. Rodríguez had was the following:
We keep in mind historical developments: The Catholic Church supports the doctrine of the trinity, even though somewhat different from us, and the divinity of Jesus. It had and has no interest in altering christological statements. No matter which translation you use, maybe with the exception of the Bible of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Lordship and Deity of Christ can be shown from any version – BRI Letter to Walter Veith from by Ángel M. Rodríguez
What I learned from this statement is that there is a great amount of pressure from the Seventh-day Adventist leadership to have Pastors such as Walter Veith conform to the teachings of our leading theologians. When pastors who have influence like Doug Batchelor stand for certain doctrinal truths in opposition to our leading theologians there is conflict such as we saw a couple of weeks ago with Doug Batchelor’s evangelistic meeting being cancelled by the Florida Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. Dr. Rodríguez used the doctrine of the trinity as a point or proof against Walter’s strong emphasis of the Catholic church being connected with changing the Bible. I find that very fascinating because his statement reminds me of the logic quoted in an old Catholic paper:
Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church… The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope. Our Sunday Visitor (February 5, 1950):
In my understanding Dr. Rodríguez is saying not all of the Catholic church doctrines are evil. The Catholic church is NOT going to do away with Christ (Christological statements) in the Bible because they also believe in the trinity. My response to this observation would be that by our church believing in the trinity doctrine we are already taking away the Son of God. In other words the Protestant Seventh-day Adventist mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible and believing in the doctrine of the trinity, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.
The purpose of this article is to help people that have been truly touched by the dedicated ministry of Amazing Discoveries to keep moving forward in their walk with Christ and test every doctrine against the Word of God. Do not rely on any preacher including Walter Veith or any ministry such as Amazing Discoveries or Amazing Facts because:
A.) It’s a Biblical principle.
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11
B.) We need to pray and help the people who are preaching God’s Word by searching the scriptures ready to give an answer. If we see error we need to be willing to talk about it. Amazing Discoveries exposes deceptions and I am looking forward to that day by the grace of God when Amazing Discoveries records a powerful presentation against the trinity doctrine and comes back to the plain teaching of the Seventh-day Adventist church.
Walter Veith. Please put me on the pre-order list for this Anti-Trinitarian video. I will wait patiently. Thank you for bringing me into this end-time message through your videos. May the Lord bless you and your wife. Continue to press on in spite of all the opposition around you. Dear Reader, please pray for the teacher that was influential in bringing me to an understanding of the times we are living in. Thank you.
Update: August 6, 2016
It has been brought to my attention that in this article I may be egging on Amazing Discoveries to talk about the truth about God almost to the point of attacking them. Am I doing this? After reading the article again I see that I am “egging on” (inciting to action; stir up; spur on; urge on) Amazing Discoveries. I am hoping to raise awareness of the Trinity doctrine deception. I personally know people that are strong supporters of Amazing Discoveries and when I talk with them regarding the Trinity teaching they are trusting in the Amazing Discoveries organization for guidance. People are not seeing and judging for themselves. Seemingly strong truth seekers do not want to put the Trinity doctrine on the table for examination because they are trusting in ministries like Amazing Facts, Secrets Unsealed and Lightbearers.
Religious teachers read the Bible in the light of their own understanding and traditions; and the people do not search the Scriptures for themselves, and judge for themselves as to what is truth; but they yield up their judgment, and commit their souls to their leaders. Desire of Ages, p.459
If friends of mine are yielding up their judgment to religious teachers then it makes sense to me to begin talking about what these teachers are saying on the subject of the Trinity and expose the false theories that my friends are accepting. I am not attacking Amazing Discoveries. The organization has helped me but I hope no one will trust in any organization to the point of not comparing the messages brought to them with what is recorded in the Bible.
Urging on with love,