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New Light for Adventists part one is a sermon on the Trinity preached by Dennis Priebe, a Seventh-day Adventist minister who works with Amazing Facts. Dennis Priebe presented this sermon in July 21, 2016 at the Hartland Summer Campmeeting in Rapidan, Virginia, USA.

Listed below is the transcript of Dennis Priebe’s sermon on the Trinity and the claims made about the Seventh-day Adventist anti-Trinitarian movement. Jets of Light comments and article links are located in the right hand column referring to the presentation. Timestamps have been recorded for reference.

The purpose of this post is to examine the doctrine of the Trinity presented by Pastor Priebe. When listening to any Pastor we are called to be noble Acts 17:11 Christians who search the Scriptures daily whether the sermons we are listening to are true and Biblical.

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Act 17:11

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God…. 1 John 4:1

Ellen White lifts up these Biblical principles in Testimonies to the Church Volume Five where she says:

God will arouse His people; if other means fail, heresies will come in among them, which will sift them, separating the chaff from the wheat. The Lord calls upon all who believe His word to awake out of sleep. Precious light has come, appropriate for this time. It is Bible truth, showing the perils that are right upon us. This light should lead us to a diligent study of the Scriptures and a most critical examination of the positions which we hold. God would have all the bearings and positions of truth thoroughly and perseveringly searched, with prayer and fasting. {Ellen White, 5T p.707}

Even apostles can error on some points at times as shown in the passage below:

But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? Galatians 2:11-14

Dennis Priebe Transcript – Trinity Sermon

[0:05] Well this is the time for our in in-depth Bible study these seminars today and tomorrow
[0:08] So I hope you brought your Bibles. We’re going to be digging into the Word of God This morning on a very important subject.
[0:13] I just want to make one announcement. I always bring with me.
[0:17] Extra study materials little booklets and pamphlets on various subjects
[0:23] that I consider very important some of which I have written
[0:26] others have written these little things that you remember the Joe Cruise type of booklets
[0:30] those little style books. So if you would like some extra things to take home with you just
[0:35] ask me at any time this week and I’ll be glad to share a few things with you.
[0:41] So I’ll leave that up to you if you want extra study materials.
[0:44] All right. I think we’re ready to start. And we will just get our Bibles out and see what we can do
[0:54] The one God sent as a special messenger to his people, the end time remnant
[0:59] and said repeatedly that God had not given all truth to those living in her generation
[1:06] that God had more truth and she called it new light
[1:10] to be given and share with his people as circumstances made it necessary
[1:14] and as people open their hearts to the leading of the Holy Spirit.
[1:19] So in the past thirty years I have received many compilations
[1:25] of new light for Seventh Day Adventists to consider and the necessity of studying
[1:31] these new ideas carefully and that is exactly what Ellen White said we should do.
[1:36] Some Seventh Day Adventists have taken these statements very seriously
[1:41] and they have come up with ideas new to Adventism.

Pastor Priebe claims the anti-Trinity movement in the Seventh-day Adventist church is new light.

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Article: New Light for Adventists – Trinity or Anti-Trinity?

[1:45] Now remember this is not that group of people
[1:50] who have borrowed old error from the churches of Babylon
[1:54] and are trying to persuade us that the Gospel
[1:57] allows us to live with some degree of inevitable sin in our lives
[2:01] and that’s the everlasting Gospel of the Apostles and the reformers It’s not that people.
[2:06] It’s not those who are trying to persuade us that the standards of the church
[2:11] are just Victorian traditions that must be discarded if we want to be relevant
[2:17] and have growing churches. It’s not that group of people.
[2:20] This group of people are very faithful Seventh Day Adventists.
[2:25] They are holding to the absolute authority of the Bible and the spirit of prophecy.
[2:30] They believe fully in our landmark doctrines.
[2:34] They are living up to all the light they have
[2:38] They are faithful in the lifestyle to the high standards revealed to the end time remnant.
[2:43] That’s the group of people I’m talking about right now.
[2:46] See there’s only one thing wrong with Adventism.
[2:50] We have overstayed our time in this world by a hundred years.
[2:53] and now we’re coming up with problems because of that.
[2:57] Reasons why we’re not in heaven.
[3:00] What’s the reason for the long delay and some are teaching
[3:03] that we have been in error on crucial issues and only when we correct these errors
[3:09] do we have any hope of being the final generation and going home.
[3:13] Now I came across one inspired statement from Ellen White
[3:18] Which I never saw in those compilations that I received over the years.
[3:23] It’s found in the Ellen White biography by Arthur White Volume 3 page 259
[3:29] and it is written by Ellen White.
[3:31] I think I want to put it up on the screen so you can see this for yourself
[3:36] and read it for yourself. Is that on the screen now. All right good.
[3:44] From that which the Lord has been pleased to show me
[3:47] there will arise just such ones all along.
[3:51] And many more of them claiming to have a new light
[3:54] which is a side issue and entering wedge.
[3:59] The widening will increase until there is a breach made
[4:03] between those who accept these views and those who believe the third angels message.
[4:09] Just as soon as these new ideas are accepted
[4:13] then there will be a drawing away from those whom God has used in the work
[4:18] for the minds begin to doubt and withdraw from the leaders
[4:22] because God has laid them aside and chosen more humble men to do his work.
[4:27] This is the only interpretation they can give to this matter
[4:31] as the leaders do not see this important light.
[4:36] That’s an interesting statement. Now notice
[4:41] that the accepting of this new light that she’s talking about here
[4:45] leads to a drawing apart from the body and small enclaves of those who have been
[4:50] This has been revealed to them who have been enligtened.
[4:54] It leads to a loss of fellowship and trust with those who had previously
[4:59] been friends and counselors.
[5:01] So today we’re going to examine one area of new light.
[5:08] This will not be an exhaustive analysis of all the texts and the reasons
[5:13] but I hope enough to make informed decisions
[5:16] about the merits of the issues capturing the loyalty of many faithful Seventh Day Adventists
[5:23] whose only motive is to prepare to meet Jesus in spotless robes of righteousness.
[5:28] Now this is a presentation that includes more than I’m covering this morning.
[5:34] There is one that I’m not going to be covering
[5:37] which is the sacred name the theory that says the only name that you can use
[5:43] to worship God is some variant of Yahweh or Yeshua.
[5:48] This is on my DVD in case you would like to have that I will not be covering
[5:52] that this morning. I’m going to move ahead quickly
[5:55] to the section that we are going to be dealing with right now.
[5:59] And that is the Trinity.
[6:02] The contemporary anti Trinity movement teaches that there is no third person of the Godhead
[6:11] The Holy Spirit is a force or an energy or a holy influence from the Father and the son.

Pastor Priebe claims Seventh-day Adventist anti-trinitarians don’t teach that there is a third person of the Godhead.

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Article: Are Non-Trinitarians Teaching No Third Person of the Godhead?

[6:18] This is a direct quotation the Bible teaches
[6:21] that there are only two who are worthy of worship”
[6:24] A corollary of this teaching
[6:27] is that “Jesus is literally the Son of the Father
[6:32] literally having a beginning back in prehistory
[6:36] when the Father brought Him into existence”
[6:39] again a quotation. The father and son are both Divine but not absolutely equal.
[6:46] Only in this way could Christ die since the father is immortal.
[6:53] They say and could not die the Son has to be brought into existence if he can die at all.

Pastor Priebe quotes an unknown anti-trinitarian highlighting the fact that they only believe two being are worthy of worship. Three questions that will help the Seventh-day Adventist Bible student know how many beings are worthy of our worship.

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Article: The Father and Son Alone are to be Exalted

[6:59] Now in support of this teaching

[7:02] they point to our pioneers who taught this theory
[7:06] from the 1840’s to the 1890’s.
[7:10] Now as with all errors there is a truth at the foundation of this teaching
[7:16] After the Council of Nicea the great Christian council in 325 AD.
[7:22] The papal party took the title of Trinitarians.
[7:26] They said that the Godhead consists of three personalities
[7:30] and one essence or substance and it became very philosophical and metaphysical.
[7:36] I’m going to share with you just a brief sample
[7:40] of instruction for confirmation for a good Catholic
[7:43] Follow this little statement.
[7:46] The Son proceeds from the Father by an act of the intellect
[7:51] and this is termed “eternal generation”
[7:54] by which we mean not only that there never was a time
[7:57] when the father existed without generating the Son
[8:01] but also that the act of generation is a continuous act.
[8:05] It teaches that there could be no separation between the Father and the son on earth
[8:10] since this would interrupt the act of generation.
[8:13] Thus the Son would not exist which would mean that the Father would not exist.
[8:18] So they could never be separated even on earth
[8:21] since they were of one essence
[8:23] neither the Father nor the Son could exist apart from the others.
[8:30] How about that. Was that nice and clear.
[8:32] Here is a historian statement in the formation of the doctrine of the Trinity
[8:36] the concept of the eternal generation of the Son
[8:39] was one of the essential and major factors.
[8:42] The doctrine of the Trinity was discussed shaped and confessed
[8:46] around the concept of the eternal generation
[8:49] So to understand the Catholic view of the Trinity
[8:53] you have to understand eternal generation of the Father and the Son.
[8:57] Here is from a converts catechism of Catholic doctrine.
[9:01] The Son proceeds from the Father by generation
[9:05] and generation means the process of begetting offspring
[9:09] reproduction or giving birth to.
[9:12] so the Father gave birth to the Son in some way.
[9:17] from their own teachings.
[9:20] May I just say this.
[9:22] Is there any wonder that our pioneers rejected the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity.

Pastor Priebe shows how different the Catholic Trinity is from the Seventh-day Adventist Trinity.

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Article: Is the Seventh-day Adventist Trinity the Same Catholic Trinity?

[9:28] J.N. Andrews wrote this doctrine destroys the personality of God
[9:33] and His Son Jesus Christ our Lord
[9:36] Yes they did reject it but remember what they were rejecting will come back to that.
[9:42] So if we are going to defend the biblical truth
[9:46] that there are three persons with the family name of God
[9:50] maybe we would be better off to use the Biblical term which is Godhead.
[9:57] Trinity has been co-opted in some very significant ways.
[10:02] So what we’re going to do is just run through some issues relating to this and I hope
[10:07] your Bibles are handy because we’re going to dig into the Word of God.
[10:11] Are there really three beings with one name in Scripture.

[10:15] We’ll start with the most common one. Matthew 28:19.
[10:20] Matthew 28:19. As Jesus left them His last word to them were, was:
[10:28] Go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name
[10:33] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost
[10:37] so notice hear the word name is singular
[10:42] The name not names. Name.
[10:45] Which means that all three that follow are on the same level
[10:50] The name of the Father, the name of the Son, the name of the Holy Spirit it is one name.
[10:55] And the definite article is used with all of the three beings.
[10:59] The Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost.
[11:02] So this very brief statement is saying that there are three beings that are God
[11:08] and yet there is one God.
[11:10] This is one of the great mysterious teachings of Scripture that even today
[11:16] we have a hard time wrapping our minds around.

Pastor Priebe uses Matthew 28:19 as proof that there are 3 beings with 1 name. Read the Ellen White quote that helps Seventh-day Adventist understand what being baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost means.

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Article: Does Ellen White Explain Matthew 28:19 as a Trinity?

[11:18] And for the Muslim world it’s almost an impossible concept.
[11:22] It is a very difficult mystery of Scripture that we are dealing with this morning
[11:28] and none of the illustrations that we commonly use about triangles and various things.
[11:32] They really don’t do the job
[11:35] because this is one of the truly great mysteries of Scripture.
[11:39] Well let’s try a few other text let’s just see what the Bible says
[11:41] John Chapter 14. John Chapter 14.
[11:46] When Jesus says He will send someone after he leaves.
[11:50] John fourteen and verse sixteen.
[11:54] Very common statement again we’re all very familiar with it.
[11:58] And I will pray the Father and He shall give you another comforter
[12:03] that he may abide with you forever.
[12:06] Now the word “another” is a very important word.
[12:09] It means another of the same kind.
[12:12] He is saying I will send you another like me
[12:17] Another one of the same kind as I am to be your comforter
[12:22] That word “another” is significant there another like me of the same kind.
[12:28] Go to another text second Corinthians chapter thirteen and verse fourteen.
[12:37] Second Corinthians chapter thirteen verse fourteen
[12:43] The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God
[12:50] and the communion of the Holy Ghost be with you all.
[12:55] Three gifts from three beings
[12:59] Three gifts each with a different aspect
[13:03] from the three beings in the Godhead.
[13:06] First Peter chapter one verse two. 1 Peter 1:2
[13:17] Now notice carefully here
[13:19] again we have three elect according to the four knowledge of God the Father
[13:23] through sanctification of the Spirit unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ.
[13:32] Three different things that the three beings do in the Godhead.
[13:36] I thought we had the next one up. I’m sorry we should have one more up there.
[13:40] All right. Three beings with one name.
[13:43] We have three functions here of three beings.
[13:47] Three functions that are very crucial. One is foreknowledge.
[13:52] One is sanctification. One is the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ.
[13:58] All right. Two or three statements from Ellen whites writings.
[14:03] One from Testimonies volume eight page two fifty four.
[14:07] Volume eight two fifty four. She refers to the three great powers of heaven.
[14:13] The three great powers of heaven.
[14:16] Another from Evangelism page six fifteen through six seventeen.
[14:21] There are three living persons of the heavenly trio.
[14:27] Catch those words. Three persons heavenly trio. Not duet. Trio.
[14:34] Evangelism again the eternal heavenly dignitaries God and Christ and the Holy Spirit.
[14:43] Three eternal dignitaries. The three highest powers in heaven.
[14:49] The Father the Son and the Holy Ghost three highest powers that’s a
[14:54] consistent way that Ellen White refers to the members of the Godhead
[14:59] Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
[15:01] So that means three beings with one name God. Father Son and Holy Spirit
[15:09] As I say. One of the great mysteries.
[15:12] Hard to wrap our minds around but nevertheless taught in Scripture.
[15:16] All right let’s move to the next then
[15:18] What about the Holy Spirit? Is the Holy Spirit clearly seen as an individual with a personality.
[15:26] Ephesians Chapter four verse thirty. Ephesians 4:30
[15:33] And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God whereby you are sealed into the day of redemption.
[15:40] Can a force be grieved? Can a power be grieved? Can an influence be grieved?
[15:44] or can a person be grieved? A person has the potential of grief, sorrow.
[15:51] We understand that easily with Jesus Christ a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
[15:56] The Holy Spirit can be grieved in the same way that Christ could be grieved.
[16:03] First Corinthians Chapter twelve verse eleven. 1 Corinthians 12:11
[16:10] Talking about the gifts of the Spirit
[16:13] Previous verses. But all these work at that one and the self same spirit
[16:18] dividing to every man severally as he will This indicates choice.
[16:25] He decides which of us get what gift.
[16:28] It is a decision the Holy Spirit makes.
[16:30] We all receive gifts. He makes the decision. We don’t. Choice.
[16:36] Romans chapter eight verse twenty six. Romans 8:26
[16:42] Likewise the spirit also help with our infirmities for
[16:47] we know not what we should pray as for as we ought
[16:50] but the spirit itself maketh intercession for us
[16:53] with groanings which cannot be uttered.
[16:56] So here we have the Holy Spirit. We know Jesus makes intercession for us.
[17:00] Now the Holy Spirit is making intercessions for us
[17:04] because we need His help to approach the throne of God.
[17:09] Acts chapter sixteen. Acts chapter sixteen and we will read verses six and seven.
[17:18] Paul is on one of his missionary journeys.
[17:22] Now when they had gone through Phrygia and the region of Galatia
[17:29] and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia.
[17:33] After they were come to Mysia they assayed to go into Bithynia but
[17:36] the Spirit suffered or allowed them not.
[17:41] So here the Holy Spirit is making some commands.
[17:44] Don’t go here. Go their. Decision making powers once again.
[17:51] Try Acts chapter fifteen. Acts 15:28
[17:58] This is that great church council that was held in Jerusalem
[18:04] to decide whether circumcision would be the way they would go or not
[18:08] Acts fifteen twenty eight. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost
[18:12] and to us to lay upon you no greater burden
[18:16] than these necessary things.
[18:18] Are the apostles individuals with the decision making abilities. Us.
[18:23] This is good to the Holy Spirit and to us.
[18:27] So is the Holy Spirit a decision making individual
[18:31] with choices to make?
[18:33] The Holy Spirit is put on the same category of making decisions here as the Apostles were.
[18:39] Acts chapter five. Acts 5:3-4.
[18:46] It’s the very familiar story of Ananias and Sapphira.
[18:50] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost,
[18:56] and to keep back part of the price of the land
[18:59] whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power?
[19:03] Why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[19:09] Two things there. First of all they lied to the Holy Spirit.
[19:13] You don’t lie to a force. You don’t lie to an influence
[19:17] You can reject an influence but you can’t lie to it.
[19:21] You can lie to a person. And this particular person is specifically called God.
[19:27] You have lied to God. So that I think is very significant.
[19:32] All right. Just a few statements from Ellen White
[19:35] Selected Messages volume one page three forty four
[19:39] 1SM 344.
[19:41] Christ our mediator and the Holy Spirit are constantly interceding in man’s behalf
[19:49] But the Spirit pleads not for us as does Christ
[19:54] who presents his blood. The Spirit works upon our hearts.
[19:59] The Spirit doesn’t do the same work that Christ does.
[20:03] Christ pleads his Blood. The Holy Spirit impresses upon our hearts conviction of sin.
[20:09] Two different works by two different individuals.
[20:13] And then again from Evangelism six sixteen and six seventeen.
[20:18] The Holy Spirit who is as much a person as God is a person is walking through these grounds.
[20:26] That was in Avondale when she was there in that school.
[20:29] The Holy Spirit is a person.
[20:37] The Holy Spirit has a personality.
[20:36] All right. I do think that there is evidence that the Holy Spirit is a person
[20:44] and has a personality. With that said
[20:48] I now want to share with you something else here
[20:51] that becomes really important to understand.
[20:54] Ellen White warned us from becoming overly dogmatic on this subject.
[21:02] If you want to look it up. It’s in manuscript releases Volume fourteen 175 to 180
[21:08] It’s a little longer than I normally read but it is a really really important
[21:14] Brethren should not feel that it is a virtue to stand apart
[21:18] because they do not see all minor points in exactly the same light.
[21:22] If on fundamental truths they are at an agreement
[21:25] they should not differ and dispute about matters of little real importance
[21:31] to dwell on perplexing questions that after all are of no vital importance
[21:36] has a direct tendency to call the mind away from truth which are vital to the saving of the soul
[21:42] Brethren should be very modest in urging these side issues
[21:48] which often they do not themselves understand points that they do not know to be truth
[21:53] and that it is not essential to their salvation to know
[21:58] where these differences exist among us.
[22:01] Those who stand outside will say it will be time enough for us to
[22:04] believe as you do when you could agree among yourselves as to what constitutes truth.
[22:08] The ungodly take advantage of the divisions
[22:12] and controversies among Christians.
[22:14] Some are ever seeking to be original to bring out something new and startling
[22:18] and they do not realize as they should the importance of preserving the unity of the faith in
[22:23] the bonds of love. We are to pray for divine enlightenment
[22:27] but at the same time we should be careful how we receive everything termed new light.
[22:31] We must be aware lest under cover of searching for new truth
[22:35] Satan shall divert our minds from Christ and the special truths for this time.
[22:40] I have been shown that it is the device of the enemy to lead minds to
[22:43] dwell upon some obscure or unimportant point something that is not fully revealed
[22:49] or is not essential to our salvation.
[22:52] This is made the absorbing theme the quote present truth
[22:56] when all their investigations and suppositions
[22:59] only serve to make matters more obscure than before
[23:02] and to confuse the minds of some who ought to be seeking for
[23:05] oneness through sanctification of the truth.
[23:08] Now that’s a very general and a very important statement
[23:11] that we must not allow ourselves to be diverted to side issues
[23:15] and areas which are not important for salvation now
[23:18] what exactly is one of those side issues not essential to salvation.
[23:23] She continues. The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery not clearly revealed
[23:30] and you will never be able to explain it to others because the Lord has not revealed it to you.
[23:35] You may gather together scriptures and put your construction upon them but
[23:40] the application is not correct.
[23:43] It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is.
[23:49] There are many mysteries which I do not seek to understand or to explain.
[23:54] They are too high for me and too high for you.
[23:58] On some of these points silence is golden.
[24:03] Your mind is restless. You would make the mistake that many others have made of
[24:08] thinking that you have new light when it is only a new phase of error.
[24:12] You may take certain views of scripture and searching the Bible in the light of your ideas
[24:17] may gather together a large number of texts and claim that they mean this and that and
[24:21] call for anyone to prove to you that your views are incorrect.
[24:24] Here is your danger of diverting minds from the real issues of this time.
[24:31] Now my brother, it is truth that we want and must have
[24:35] but do not introduce error as new truth.
[24:40] And that counsel my friends applies to all areas of new light that we examine.
[24:46] That we must be very careful that it is truly new light and not a new phase of old error
[24:50] which has come to us. In fact I’m going to share again with you
[24:56] a few of the statements from the Catholic Church on this point to get you to understand
[25:01] To get all of us to understand clearly what the pioneers were rejecting.
[25:06] God is a Spirit and the first act of a spirit brings forth the knowledge of himself
[25:13] His own image. This was a living person of the same substance
[25:17] and one with the father. This is God the Son. Thus the Father begets the Son
[25:22] the Divine Word, the wisdom of the Father.
[25:24] Their mutual love is breathed forth as it were a living person
[25:28] one with them and of their own substance. This is God the Holy Ghost.
[25:32] Thus the Holy Ghost the spirit of love proceeds from the Father and the Son
[25:37] God the Father eternally knows Himself and thus continues to bring forth the Son.
[25:42] How about that. Is that a clear exposition of the Godhead.
[25:47] Or does it totally cloud the issue with words that
[25:50] are very difficult for even the most scholarly mind to understand.
[25:55] That’s what our pioneers were rejecting.
[25:57] That’s what they were saying they couldn’t be a part of
[26:00] and did not want to accept. All right.
[26:04] So let’s move to number three. What about the eternal existence of Jesus Christ.
[26:11] John one. Got to start there don’t we.
[26:15] John chapter one.
[26:18] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
[26:23] and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
[26:27] All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.
[26:31] In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[26:35] Careful. Jesus was not only with the Father
[26:38] but he was God. Not a god as the Jehovah’s Witness translation translates that verse.
[26:46] But he was God. He was the creator of everything.
[26:50] The life principle was in him he did not receive life from anyone.
[26:56] He is the eternal Word. Now let’s get to more specific areas John chapter eight.
[27:01] John Chapter eight verse fifty eight.
[27:04] This is an amazing statement. He’s in the midst of a big argument
[27:12] with the Jews about how he could possibly possibly be before he was on this earth.
[27:22] The Jews said unto him in verse fifty seven: Thou are not yet fifty years old,
[27:27] Hast thou seen Abraham? and Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
[27:34] before Abraham was, I Am.
[27:38] I hope you know what that those last two words mean.
[27:42] This was not just a statement that he lived before Abraham.
[27:45] This was a claim. Let’s find that claim it’s in back in the Book of Exodus.
[27:49] Exodus chapter three. Exodus chapter three and verse fourteen.
[27:56] This is when Moses is sent back to Egypt
[28:01] to talk to his people and convince them that this was the time for deliverance
[28:06] and Moses was afraid that they would not know what he was there for was
[28:11] he there on his own authority and they will ask about
[28:16] the God he represents. What is his name.
[28:19] Verse fourteen Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses,
[28:22] I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,
[28:28] I AM hath sent to me unto you.
[28:32] Jesus is claiming that name.
[28:34] Jesus is saying before Abraham was I am the one who talked to Moses
[28:41] and sent him to deliver you as a people.
[28:43] Ellen White has a very interesting statement
[28:46] on this in Desire of Ages 469 and 470.
[28:50] The name of God, 469 and 470, the name of God given to Moses
[28:57] to express the idea of the eternal presence had been claimed as his own.
[29:02] The name of God had been claimed by Jesus as his name.
[29:06] He had announced himself to be the self-existent One,
[29:10] whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.
[29:14] That’s why they took up stones to stone him.
[29:17] Because he was claiming to be not a god not a Son of God but God himself.
[29:23] He was claiming to be the great I AM that all good Jews worshiped all their centuries.
[29:31] God’s amazing grace page forty three
[29:34] All through the pages of sacred history
[29:38] where the dealings of God with His chosen people are recorded,
[29:41] there are burning traces of the great I AM. That’s true. All the way through the Old Testament.
[29:47] We know that name mostly as Jehovah,
[29:50] which is a transliteration but wrongly done of Yahweh
[29:55] which is the noun form of the I AM the verb
[29:59] All of those titles or names mean the same thing.
[30:02] All the communion, listen, all the communion
[30:06] between heaven and the fallen race had been through Christ in the Old Testament.
[30:11] All those statements, the Lord has spoken to Jeremiah, the Lord has spoken to
[30:17] Isaiah, Ezekiel, is through Christ.
[30:20] Christ is the Yahweh, the Jehovah, the I AM of the Old Testament.
[30:25] She continues Christ is the Alpha and the Omega the first and the last.
[30:30] So remember whenever you read about Yahweh or Jehovah in the Old Testament
[30:35] your reading about Jesus Christ.
[30:36] Let’s just take one sample of one verse in the Old Testament
[30:40] Isaiah chapter forty and verse twenty eight. Isaiah forty and verse twenty eight.
[30:46] This again is describing and when as you probably know
[30:50] that in the King James Version of the Bible when the word LORD is in capital letters.
[30:55] It is a transliteration of Yahweh.
[30:58] The noun form of I AM. Alright so in verse twenty eight Isaiah chapter forty verse twenty eight
[31:06] Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God,
[31:12] the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is a weary,
[31:19] there is no searching of his understanding.
[31:21] Notice the everlasting God Yahweh the creator of the ends of the earth.
[31:27] Ellen White has just informed us that’s Jesus Christ.
[31:31] Jesus Christ is the everlasting God of the Old Testament.
[31:36] The Yahweh. The I AM that led them through all of their wilderness wanderings
[31:41] and brought them into the promised land.
[31:43] A few other statements from Ellen White’s writings Desire of Ages page 530.
[31:48] In Christ is life, original, borrowed, underived. That kind of nails it all down doesn’t it?
[31:58] Original life not borrowed from other source.
[32:03] Not derived from another being. Not brought into existence at some point in prehistory.
[32:11] Evangelism page 615.
[32:14] Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent key word self-existent Son of God.
[32:21] He assures us that there never was a time when he was not in close fellowship
[32:27] with the eternal God. He is the eternal, self-existent Son.
[32:32] Put those two together: eternal self-existent.
[32:36] Bible Commentary volume five 1115.
[32:41] From all eternity Christ was united with the Father. From all eternity.
[32:49] Review and Herald, April 5, 1906. April 5, 1906.
[32:55] Christ was God essentially and in the highest sense.
[33:00] He was with God from all eternity.
[33:04] In the highest sense. He was not a lesser god.
[33:08] He was not a derived God.
[33:10] Now patriarchs and prophets pages 63 and 64 tells us something very important about
[33:17] why this is essential. Only one equal with God could make atonement for the fallen race.
[33:23] Only a law giver could redeem those who had broken the law.
[33:29] Only the Creator of life could redeem those who had been created.
[33:33] You see if Christ had received life from the Father at some point in eternity
[33:40] which is what is being taught by this movement today.
[33:43] That he received life from the father at some point in eternity.
[33:47] If his life was borrowed or derived from the Father.
[33:51] If he was dependent on the Father for his very existence.
[33:56] He would not have existed if the father had not brought him into existence.
[34:00] Then he was not God in the highest sense. And he is not eternal.
[34:06] And he could not make atonement for the fallen race and redeem mankind.
[34:11] If Christ was not fully God.
[34:15] God would have been punishing an innocent third party
[34:19] who had also been created or brought into existence by God.
[34:24] Only one who is immortal in his very nature can offer everlasting life to the human race.
[34:31] And by the way I’m sure you know, that the term only begotten son is a faulty translation.
[34:39] Let’s check that out if there’s any question about that at all.
[34:44] Hebrews chapter eleven verse seventeen.
[34:47] Hebrews chapter eleven verse seventeen. Hebrews 11:17
[34:54] By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:
[34:59] and he that had received the promises offered up his what only begotten son.
[35:04] That’s wrong on two levels isn’t it?
[35:08] Number one. Isaac was not the only begotten.
[35:12] He was not even the first born and yet he is called his only begotten Son do you
[35:19] see why the word has to mean unique one of a kind special.
[35:24] None other like Isaac. He was the son of promise he was not the son of human activity.
[35:31] He was the son of a miracle and that’s what one of a kind means uniquely special.
[35:38] One of a kind. And by the way there is another text which is interesting
[35:43] doesn’t use the phrase only begotten. It’s in Acts chapter thirteen.
[35:47] Acts chapter thirteen and verse thirty three. Acts 13 and verse 33
[35:54] which is talking about Jesus. God have fulfilled the same unto us their children
[36:00] in that he raised the Jesus again as it is also written in the second psalm
[36:04] this thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
[36:10] Now that’s not talking about his birth is it?
[36:12] That’s talking about his resurrection. Raised up again this day have I begotten thee.
[36:19] So a case could be made that the word begotten
[36:21] has as much to do with his resurrection as with his birth.
[36:25] And that’s an interesting use of this word begotten again.
[36:30] I think it’s more than interesting that an individual called Mary of Agrede.
[36:35] A visionary Catholic nun in the 1600’s said that the word was conceived
[36:41] by eternal generation from the Father and Christ was born before time existed.
[36:46] And that is exactly what is being taught by the present anti Trinity movement
[36:52] Interesting. Taken directly from Catholic understanding’s here
[36:56] Also why the way the Orthodox the Eastern Orthodox position.
[36:59] So I have a suggestion. A suggestion. Take it for what it’s worth.
[37:05] To resolve some apparent contradictions that we even find in scripture.
[37:09] It seems like it. The nature of the Godhead is not the central theme in Scripture.
[37:16] God has never just spelled it out clearly and precisely even throughout all of Scripture.
[37:23] Where it is discussed in the very few places it is discussed
[37:27] it reveals three equal beings all existing from eternity.
[37:32] One in purpose and mind in ways impossible for created beings.
[37:37] But it is not a major theme of scripture. It appears here and there in spots.
[37:42] So we will move to the next point.
[37:45] The central issue in Scripture is not the nature of the Godhead
[37:52] but the function of the Godhead. What they do.
[37:57] And it is always always in descending order from the Father to the Son to the Holy Spirit.
[38:05] It is always descending in that order.
[38:10] This is the way apparently that the Godhead wants all created beings to approach Him
[38:15] Directly to the Father? No. Through the Holy Spirit. Through Christ to the Father.
[38:21] The Father is the ultimate authority. Jesus is the visible representative to created beings
[38:28] The Holy Spirit is the invisible presence working on the hearts of created beings.
[38:34] You know if we’re confused today.
[38:36] Even the angels were confused before sin ever entered the universe.
[38:42] The Father had to explain to the angels in angelic session
[38:48] the difference between Christ and Lucifer.
[38:51] When Lucifer was challenging the place of Christ in the Godhead.
[38:55] Since both Lucifer and Christ had similar functions
[38:59] they represented God to the created beings, it was easy for even angels to say
[39:04] there both the same aren’t they? They do the same work. Maybe Lucifer is right.
[39:10] So if there was a misunderstanding in heaven.
[39:13] May we be forgiven to have problems today, figuring out the mystery.
[39:19] The mystery of the Godhead. Here’s the point.
[39:23] Christ always directs attention to the Father not to himself.
[39:27] He always points to the Father. He takes a secondary role to the Heavenly Father
[39:32] then the Holy Spirit always directs attention to Christ
[39:37] And the Father He takes the third role almost invisible most of the time.
[39:44] So again. Equal in nature but unequal in function and rank as they relate to created beings.
[39:54] That’s the best I think that we can do on this subject to try to understand it.
[40:00] All right let’s move to the next point.
[40:02] The Godhead apparently has chosen to reveal itself gradually to the human race.
[40:10] Apparently this has never been one of the crucial issues for the redemption of mankind
[40:15] to understand exactly the relations of the three beings.
[40:19] In the Old Testament Yahweh is that personal name for God. Jehovah.
[40:26] And the name is interchangeable for the Father and the Son.
[40:30] Your never quite sure unless you really dig deep.
[40:34] Is it the Father speaking or is it the Son speaking because it doesn’t really matter.
[40:38] The name is interchangeable. The Holy Spirit.
[40:41] If you would of asked a person in Isaiah’s time, what do you know about the Holy Spirit.
[40:45] I think you would of gotten a blank stare.
[40:48] I don’t think much was known about the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament.
[40:52] Yes the spirit was moving on the face of the waters
[40:55] but that wasn’t precisely clear either.
[40:58] There are indications of plurality in the Old Testament more than one.
[41:03] But the emphasis is always on one God the Lord our God is one Lord.
[41:09] The great Shema of the Israelite people.
[41:11] That was their focus. The Lord our God is one.
[41:15] Now in the New Testament more revelation came to bear
[41:19] because Christ had now come down in bodily form.
[41:22] So we have the Word of God, the Son of God.
[41:25] And then Christ reveals to us another aspect ,the Holy Spirit who is our comforter
[41:31] better translated advocate one who stands for us. One who is our lawyer if you will.
[41:37] The emphasis is on three beings in one Godhead descending in rank and function
[41:43] from the Father to the Son to the Holy Spirit.
[41:46] That’s what the New Testament reveals.
[41:48] Early Seventh Day Adventists. Were they concerned with this issue. Not at all.
[41:55] They were concerned with the sanctuary in the twenty three hundred days.
[41:59] That was the issue of the early pioneers. They were concerned with the Bible not tradition.
[42:06] The Word of God as the authority not the traditions of the fathers.
[42:10] They were concerned with the Seventh day Sabbath and the law of God.
[42:14] There was very little study or even revelation from God through Ellen White about the Trinity
[42:21] if you want to use that term. Very little discussed about that by our pioneers.
[42:26] And as I said earlier the Trinity in the early 1800’s it was a mixture of the Bible,
[42:32] medieval philosophy and the early church councils.
[42:35] There was a group during that time before Adventism came into existence
[42:41] called the Christian Connection.
[42:43] They were absolutely certain that the Trinity was a Catholic doctrine
[42:48] and unscriptural and guess what?
[42:51] Joseph Bates and James White were members of the Christian Connection
[42:56] and because the Trinity apparently made the Father and the Son identical
[43:02] it was rejected by our pioneers.
[43:06] Here’s just a sample from Joseph Bates on what he wrote on this.
[43:09] He said: respecting the Trinity, I concluded that it was an impossibility
[43:14] for me to believe that the Lord Jesus Christ
[43:16] the Son of the Father was also the Almighty God the Father one and the same being.
[43:22] I said to my father. If you can convince me that we are one in this sense that
[43:28] you are my father and I your son and also that I am your father and you my son
[43:32] then I can believe in the Trinity. That is why they objected to the Trinity doctrine.
[43:39] It made them really just one essence with three different faces
[43:44] shining out at different times and the pioneers said no that’s not what the Bible teaches.
[43:51] That is not correct.
[43:52] So apparently God was satisfied to leave it this way.
[43:59] Not make it an issue among the pioneers. Not get everything corrected at the same time
[44:04] until about the 1890’s. And by the way
[44:07] the 1890’s was the period of time when
[44:10] the last generation was supposed to be formed to go home. Translation.
[44:15] Maybe God said this is the last thing I need to get clear in your minds.
[44:20] Ellen White was in Australia during those years.
[44:23] W.W. Prescott visited her in Australia. He had developed a new style of evangelism
[44:30] based not on doctrines primarily but on righteousness by faith on the character of God. [44:35] Guess where that came from? The 1888 message of Jones and Waggoner.
[44:39] Prescott began to preach this way and he spent time working with Ellen White in Australia
[44:45] and he began to question some of our pioneers teachings
[44:49] on the nature and the Deity of Jesus Christ because
[44:52] our pioneers believed Christ had a beginning. He did not exist from all eternity.
[44:57] And he began to question this. A.G. Daniels the president of the General Conference
[45:03] supported his new direction and this was the very same time
[45:06] when Ellen White was putting together Desire of Ages
[45:09] and in that book she differed sharply with our pioneers on the pre-existence of Jesus Christ.
[45:17] M.L. Andreasen. He had just become a Seventh-day Adventist four years earlier.
[45:24] He said that some of the leaders doubted that Ellen White had really written quote:
[45:31] “In Him was life original, unborrowed, underived.”
[45:34] Nah, she couldn’t of written that. That, that’s not true.
[45:38] He derived life from the Father. He didn’t have original life.
[45:43] She couldn’t have written that. So M.L. did what some others hadn’t been willing to do.
[45:49] In 1902 he made a special trip out to California to Elmshaven
[45:53] where Ellen White was residing at that time to investigate this statement:
[46:00] “Original, unborrowed, underived”.
[46:03] And he actually found these statements in her own handwriting.
[46:07] This was not a forgery. This was not an insertion.
[46:11] This was not something that someone had gotten into her writings without her knowing it
[46:16] In her own handwriting he found this statement
[46:19] that I referred to earlier. And that was enough for M.L. Andreasen from that point on.
[46:26] And because of her influence and the new study on the Godhead,
[46:31] the Adventist understanding of the Godhead took a different direction from the pioneers.
[46:37] That’s just a fact. That’s what happened.
[46:39] That is not the same as our earliest pioneers including James White taught in the early years.
[46:46] Why so late? Ah, God has priorities.
[46:51] He knows we can’t handle everything all at the same time
[46:54] so he starts us out not with theology in the 1840’s the message was publishing.
[47:00] Get the Word out. Get the message out.
[47:03] Bright beams of light shining over the whole earth.
[47:05] Publishing was the message of the 1840’s.
[47:08] In the 1850’s it was church organization.
[47:12] You can’t just go on loosely with everyone doing willy nilly what is right in their own eyes.
[47:17] We have to be organized. We have to be a body.
[47:19] That was the 1850’s.
[47:21] Health reform in the 1860’s more important than all of the doctrines apparently
[47:28] Health reform in the 1860’s. The body is a temple of the Holy Ghost.
[47:33] What we’re doing this weekend is combining some theology with some health reform
[47:37] that’s coming up shortly. And that’s crucially important.
[47:41] Then in the 1880’s. What God choose next? Righteousness by faith.
[47:47] Christ in you the hope of glory.
[47:50] Not being so doctrinally centered even though doctrines are hugely important
[47:55] but not being so centered on them we lost focus of the one
[47:59] who is behind and in all of the doctrines and our relationship to him.
[48:04] God simply paced the introduction of new truth to preserve unity in the church.
[48:10] So the church wouldn’t fracture at very various points in its existence.
[48:14] So very simply, the character of God was more important than the nature of God.
[48:21] And God simply said we’ll let that one go for a while.
[48:25] Don’t make that an issue of contention. So we come to our last point.
[48:32] Now some and remember who I’m talking about the faithful Adventists.
[48:38] The really serious Adventists who are preparing for the second coming of Christ
[48:42] are advocating a return to our pioneers anti Trinity position.
[48:47] and here is the most dangerous aspect.
[48:51] Is the question raised by its chief advocate.
[48:55] Did Ellen White write all that has been published under her name?
[49:00] Did Ellen White write all that has been published under her name. Oh my friends.
[49:10] This is something we really really need to think through carefully.
[49:14] Whenever we find something in her writings which contradicts our beliefs
[49:19] about some position we have taken,
[49:22] we find some acceptable reason to set her aside.
[49:25] That can apply to any one of us at any time.
[49:30] This my friends is the heart of higher criticism of the Bible.
[49:34] Well you don’t really have to believe in the literal creation record of Genesis one.
[49:39] It could have happened over many millions of years.
[49:42] You don’t have to believe that Jesus was born of a virgin.
[49:45] That was just something to make it exciting and special for the disciples.
[49:50] Higher criticism says we can reinterpret what the original inspired authors said
[49:58] because it just doesn’t fit with what we know today.
[50:01] Same thing applies to Ellen White my friends.
[50:05] If it doesn’t fit with our cherished preconceptions.
[50:09] And that makes her writings of none effect.
[50:12] Doesn’t deny her writings remember I said these are all people who believe solidly
[50:17] in the writings of Ellen White but not her full authority
[50:22] making her writings of none effect because we are picking and choosing
[50:29] those statements which fit our preconceptions
[50:32] and setting aside those statements which do not under some pretext.
[50:36] And there are many pretexts here.
[50:38] Well, Ellen White was young when she wrote that.
[50:41] My teacher when I was in school a long time ago was asked that very same question.
[50:46] How old was Ellen White when she wrote this particular statement a student asked him
[50:50] and he scratched his English beard a little bit and he said
[50:55] How old was the Holy Spirit just then.
[50:57] Some say you set aside her later writings because they’re not as pure as the earlier writings. [51:07] Great Controversy after 1858 can’t be trusted etc…etc…
[51:12] Some say that people inserted things into her writings without her knowing it.
[51:18] Do you think God would allow that in the Bible?
[51:22] That there would be untruth inserted into his word so that we couldn’t tell the difference.
[51:27] If God is going to speak to us at all will He not protect what he has spoken.
[51:32] Or else we’re saying that God isn’t a very good handler of truth
[51:37] and Ellen White isn’t a very good handler of what God revealed to her.
[51:41] Here is a statement that someone said
[51:46] Ellen White was inspired by God in almost all her writings
[51:51] but either she or someone messed with her writings.
[51:54] Colloquial but that’s what is being taught right on this subject.
[52:00] That means that everyone is free to pick and choose whatever agrees with our opinions.
[52:06] The essence of higher criticism. So I’m going to suggest
[52:11] that perhaps even conservative Seventh-day Adventists
[52:15] will have to decide between the authority of God and the authority of men.
[52:20] It’s not just liberal, it’s conservative Adventists who have opinions too
[52:27] that they do not want to give up when faced with clear inspired statements.
[52:32] So those are the reasons at least some of them
[52:35] why I believe that there is a three part Godhead.
[52:38] That Jesus Christ is eternal on the same level as the Father
[52:43] and that our pioneers had good reasons for rejecting the Catholic version of the Trinity
[52:52] which is way different from the Biblical version of the Godhead.
[52:57] And we do not have to apologize for believing in a very mysterious doctrine.
[53:02] Three persons one God. Can’t explain it. Can’t fathom it.
[53:10] It’s a mystery but it is a divinely given mystery.
[53:16] Not simply something that we’re trying to avoid.
[53:20] We are trying to grapple with it. We’re trying to understand it
[53:24] and make as much sense as we possibly can about it.
[53:28] Now I just want to say this. This is a seminar so
[53:32] if there was something which I was unclear about
[53:35] and you needed to get some more information. Raise your hand right now
[53:38] and I’d be delighted to see what I can do. Yes. Here’s one right here.

Question & Answer Period

[53:42] Oh a copy. All right. Is there anything that I didn’t explain too clearly
[53:48] and you would like to have a better explanation about?
[53:52] Yes.
[53:54] Audience: Number one on the screen. You were mentioning there’s a hierarchy of rolls. [54:04] Priebe: Function. Father to Son to Holy Spirit.
[54:07] Audience: I was a little uncomfortable with that. My thinking is
[54:13] there is quite a strong emphasis on the equality of Christ and maybe you could elaborate on that a little bit.
[54:19] Priebe: Again I’m going to go back to the same thing that happened in the
[54:22] angelic host when Christ and Lucifer were doing exactly as the angel saw the same work
[54:28] and there was question as to why Christ should be in the Godhead and Lucifer should not [54:33] since they were both representing Christ to the angels.
[54:37] So if there was that kind of representation. The father is there as you have probably read.
[54:43] No one can see the father and live.
[54:46] Doesn’t say that about Christ.
[54:47] Because we have seen Christ in human form and even the inspired writers like John
[54:56] saw Christ after He had been taken to heaven in his glory
[54:59] and that was very impressive but they didn’t see the Father.
[55:02] So there is something different there
[55:05] in the way the Father and the Son relate to created beings.
[55:09] The Father in light unapproachable the Son revealing as much as could be understood or
[55:15] accepted or tolerated by created beings and the Holy Spirit impressing that upon the mind.
[55:20] So I think that Jesus Christ is doing a work which the Father does not do.
[55:27] which means that he is representing and he’s revealing the Father
[55:31] and he would on earth he would say there is none good but the Father
[55:36] and of course how can that apply. Jesus was as good as anyone could ever be
[55:40] But he would always point to the Father.
[55:42] And he said that I came to reveal the Father.
[55:46] So that’s why I think that there is a difference in function
[55:50] In the way they relate to created beings.
[55:52] One more.
[55:54] Good point hierarchy is not a good term.
[55:59] a different task that’s right. Like a C.E.O. and a C.F.O. chief financial officer.
[56:09] Once again we’re getting into parallels that don’t work but that’s
[56:12] a little help. Different functions different needs. You know
[56:15] I guess if we really believe that there is this three being Godhead
[56:19] that I’m glad that they kind of boil it down to one as the ultimate Father that we pray to
[56:25] because I have a hard time talking to three different beings at the same time.
[56:28] And I think that the Godhead realized that we need to focus on the Father
[56:32] make our prayers to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ.
[56:35] Roger.
[56:39] Audience: The number four up here.
[56:42] I like to think of it as different functions of the Godhead. God is love.
[56:48] and one element of love is humility.
[56:51] OK
[56:51] It’s hard to wrap my mind around the Holy Spirit being divine and still be humble
[56:58] But the Holy Spirit points to Christ and Christ points to the Father.
[57:03] There’s a humility in the Godhead and then he said that we were
[57:08] created in His image and then he translates that
[57:11] into our relational things in our families and everything. So I think that
[57:17] I would like the word different better than unequal.
[57:21] Priebe: All right. Very good good point. Now I would just make this point too
[57:25] If we think of the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit is as much God as the Father and the Son are
[57:32] of the same nature, same qualities you hardly read anything about Him in the Bible
[57:40] Just a snatch here and a snatch there and a verse here and a verse over there.
[57:44] He doesn’t describe himself. He is the one who inspires the prophets.
[57:47] Couldn’t He have told us a lot of things about what He was.
[57:50] But he doesn’t talk about Himself. He totally ignores Himself. Total humility.
[57:56] If you want to put it in those terms. Total humility.
[57:59] And saying I won’t even talk about myself. You won’t know much about me.
[58:02] I don’t know about you but
[58:05] I’m waiting to see what the Holy Spirit looks like when we get to heaven.
[58:09] I don’t know. It’s a mystery.
[58:11] And Ellen White warns us away from speculation on that point.
[58:15] A question over here. Right over there. All right.
[58:18] Audience: I just want to be sure about something
[58:22] because you hear this alot from pastors that when He said let us
[58:29] make man in our image. Let us make man in our image.
[58:34] So they were all three there together.
[58:37] But when Adam and Eve sinned
[58:40] and the decision was made i’ll go down for man.
[58:44] Pastors say that God decided to come down to earth as a babe in the form of man
[58:57] and called himself Jesus.
[58:59] Allright. It depends and what is meant by that.
[59:04] It can be probably not too bad but again God the one the being we call God
[59:12] in three aspects three persons three individuals.
[59:17] God did decide to come down to earth.
[59:19] Immanuel means God with us.
[59:23] That’s the name that was one of the names given to Jesus.
[59:27] But again it was only one of those three it wasn’t all three that came to earth.
[59:32] So what was one the Son of God because he was the one that had that function that role
[59:39] that purpose that he came down to this earth.
[59:42] But again it was God. God was Jesus.
[59:47] So there is a truth there but it needs to be carefully explained.
[59:51] That it was one being of the three that made the decision to be part of the human family
[59:56] forever by the way to retain his human nature.
[59:59] He’ll never be the same as he was before. He’ll be part of the human family for all eternity
[1:00:04] So in a very significant way he will have not quite the same nature as he had before or
[1:00:09] the Father or the Holy Spirit for the rest of eternity.
[1:00:12] That’s the mind boggling thing.
[1:00:14] Audience: Did he go back to the 100% divine?
[1:00:17] Priebe: He did but he retains his human nature and there’s a mystery.
[1:00:21] What does that mean?
[1:00:22] Did he send the Holy Spirit because he couldn’t be in all places at the same time.
[1:00:25] All of these are mysteries
[1:00:27] and so something is not the same as it was before.
[1:00:31] Last one by the way will close now.
[1:00:35] Audience: Godhead is perfect harmony.
[1:00:40] The son carries out what the Father says.
[1:00:43] Yes
[1:00:44] The Holy Spirit is sent by the Son.
[1:00:46] Matthew 12:32 and whosoever speaketh a word against the Son it shall be forgiven him but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven him.
[1:00:57] neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
[1:01:00] Priebe: That’s an incredible statement.
[1:01:01] Yeah. If you reject the teachings of Christ you may be misunderstanding
[1:01:11] him. The Jews may have prejudiced against him but if you aren’t listening to the Holy Spirit
[1:01:16] there’s nothing more I can do for you. That’s amazing.
[1:01:19] All right we’re going to have to close. I do have
[1:01:22] just a few. I don’t have too many.
[1:01:25] I have a few compilations of some of the important Ellen White statements on this.
[1:01:30] So if you want one of these come up after the meeting
[1:01:32] and I’ll share them with you as long as they last.
[1:01:35] Also. Tomorrow I’m going to be talking about another new light issue
[1:01:43] which is very strong right now in the Seventh Day Adventist Church.
[1:01:47] It’s called the feast day movement.
[1:01:49] I have several of these presentations. I also talk about the Yahweh issue,
[1:01:55] the sacred name. I talk about the futurism idea the aspects of
[1:02:00] The book of Revelation and Daniel into the future
[1:02:02] day for day instead of day for year
[1:02:05] but I’m not going to be talking about those I have D.V.D.’s on those of
[1:02:08] some of you want to take a look at those. I have a D.V.D. set
[1:02:12] on new light for Seventh-day Adventists
[1:02:14] Tomorrow will focus on the feast day issue
[1:02:17] in the same way we dealt here with the Trinity issue.
[1:02:21] So that’s where we’re heading tomorrow. I hope you join us
[1:02:26] and we will have another study time together.
[1:02:29] Now I just want to let you know that we’re going to have a fifteen minute break
[1:02:33] and then my son gets to talk to you.
[1:02:36] How many of you have seen his presentations in past years.
[1:02:40] Quite a few of you. All right so you know what’s coming.
[1:02:43] He’s the naturalist in our family.
[1:02:45] and he takes us down from the high theological mountain
[1:02:48] down to the level of the second book of nature where
[1:02:51] we can all relate to these cute cuddly little creatures and squirmy little creatures
[1:02:56] out there and what they tell us about our Creator God.
[1:02:59] and today’s presentation as you probably saw in the outline
[1:03:02] is called the God given gift of animal architecture
[1:03:07] and that’s a very interesting subject
[1:03:10] how in the world did animals figure out how to build homes?
[1:03:13] And he’s going to talk about that and can they pass on that knowledge to their children?
[1:03:18] This is how you do it. You put the stick in here and then you do that
[1:03:21] like we do with our children
[1:03:23] and so this is one of the powerful evidences of creation that denies evolutionary theory
[1:03:30] and by the way you need to be here in the first five minutes when he lays out the premise
[1:03:35] because that sort of focuses the whole presentation
[1:03:38] if you miss that you’re kind of gonna be at sea in the presentation.
[1:03:41] So right at eleventh at eleven forty five is the time when he will be presenting
[1:03:46] and don’t miss those first five minutes is crucial to understanding the presentation.
[1:03:50] Let’s pray. Father in heaven as we have studied one of your great mysteries
[1:03:56] as we have tried to understand what we can barely, feebly touch.
[1:04:02] Oh Lord I just pray that we will see the important thing
[1:04:06] that our God is a loving caring just God
[1:04:10] that Jesus Christ the representative of the Father
[1:04:14] is the one who shows us the character of the Father and
[1:04:18] may we never never turn away the Holy Spirit’s impressions upon our hearts
[1:04:23] and our minds.
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